been there done that.To quote a man who has shot some people"you can kill a man without stopping him and stop a man without killing him" shoot him with a hot 9 that fails to expand due to being plugged with leather jacket and rips through with only say 20% energy transfer or 70 pounds roughly and he is gonna be on you. 9mm Luger Results in fps Click here for a Muzzle Energy graph for the tests in this caliber. A myth that TV and movies have given the world is that American warfighters won WWII, but really the amount of American blood contributed to the war effort was comparably insignificant -- especially compared to the Soviets. A .357 magnum round can have similar effects. With the 14RD+1 extension handle mag that's my HP4573. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. 2. 11k plains, 6k tanks, 300k trucks, and 3 million tons of food were sent by the USA to the USSR. This page was last edited on 24 February 2023, at 12:37. As they say, those who refuse to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it. Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. Only because it's easier to hide. As I've said, I guarantee I'll stop an attacker quicker with my 45's than any of my 9mm. YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. Not a lick of science in this article. The 135-grain Critical Duty load, by contrast, travels at 1,100 fps from a five-inch pistol and generates 369 ft.-lbs. To add to this argument, I read a recommendation which said that in a civilian SHTF encounter, that five rounds would be enough to cover such an encounter based on research which had been carried out on previous encounters where the number of shots fired had been recorded, so purchasing a firearm with seven rounds would be considered more than enough (IN MOST CASES). Whats right for me is probably a double stack micro 380 (10+ rounds) and a 1.5 stack sub compact 40 S&W (10+ rounds), but they havent invented good enough ones yet so.. It's all about the ammo. 45ACP. The report indicated that the new powders and more advanced bullet designs used in current 9mm defensive loads allowed for the caliber to deliver almost similar performance to other calibers, like the .45 ACP, and .40 S&W. So, if you only have a few seconds to fire, then you may not discharge any more rounds from the 9mm handgun than you did from a.45 ACP handgun. Instagram If someone wants to open carry (which I personally discourage) the XDM appears rather intimidating and is quite accurate in calm hands. Saying you can stop an attacker faster with a 9mm than a 45 is absolute ignorance. One excellent example would be the Lehigh Defense max expansion loads in either caliber. What an awesome read. Option two; You select a certain ammunition that has been proved to not fully penetrate. I'm not knocking the 9mm as a protection weapon. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. Clumsy, deaf and with tunnel vision. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. The 9mm Luger has a muzzle velocity of 1,120 feet-per-second (fps), while the .357 Magnum touts a muzzle velocity of 1,240 fps, despite the fact that its bullet is 34 grains heavier. Practice, practice, practice. Any 9mm up to 147 will increase all the way up to 17 none increase beyond that. I would recon my 5 or close to 6 inch barrel Walther p 22 loaded with them with rapid shots would do okay . Second, our judges demand, that each shot has to be beforethought = you can shoot perp once and then you have to evaluate, if he stoped his attack. Old, Fat and Slow will do the job on the other hand depending on clothing choices I've been know to carry a 9mm or a 380 and I'm comfortable with having the choice, 10mm All handgun wounds will combine the components of penetration, permanent cavity, and temporary cavity to a greater or lesser degree. Best advice ever. This article is biased toward 9mm anyway. Unfortunately I sense America is way beyond that point. Easier to conceal and handle. About "Youre welcome Europe" well, it could be useffull to open History books : France made the biggest part of the job, with England, during WW1. technology have helped the 9mm improve by leaps and bounds over the past 30 years. I had been on the fence regarding 9mm and .45ACP for a long time, then I purchased a couple of different 9mm semi-autos for carry over a few years, with .380 for backup. Look up ballistics tests 9mm eats as much ballistics gel as a 45. Just not before he stabs you to death. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). Some people prefer the heavier feel of a .45 ACP, while others find the light and slim nature of the 9mm easier to use. A 124 grain plus P will not start dropping velocity until somewhere over 16 inches of barrel. For the United Kingdom, after Dunkirk, the UK lost basically everything. Which is best? Less recoil , good penetration, good follow up for stopping a robber etc. This is a great article period.! I have been shot, it happened in the suburbs back in '74. However, that damage is effectively wasted since the cartridges were designed so that they worked as ball ammo. Hopefully he ll leave or be disoriented so you can leave in a safe direction. Youll do well to pick heavier bullet weights that convey a, The Latin in the 9mms full name is short for. I own both calibers with two semi autos chambered for each. No more mild steel targets to shoot at, it completely deformed any bullet that passes through the body only delivers 10% to 20% of energy to the body, like the hot 9mm that are famous for over penetrating human targets, not jello it is ENERGY that is stopping power. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . While modern ammo allows a 9mm to reliable penetrate sufficiently and expand to over .6, the 45 can now reliably penetrate sufficiently and expand to over 3/4 of an inch. If I want range and penetration, I'll grab one of my rifles. ========================= I own a few 9mm's and three 45's. I shot IPSC and IDPA 30 years ago. But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. Adam, Eve (before they sinned), and the Lord Jesus Christ (Who never sinned.) I currently carry a .40 s&w. If interested perhaps we can exchange some info or thoughts, was really looking forward to reading this when I had time. Theres no doubt that the .45 ACP is a classic handgun thats not going anywhere in the foreseeable future, but it doesnt outperform the 9mm. And, we all know that the more damage done, to the body, the faster the blood loss. Fragmentation occurs reliably in high-velocity projectile wounds (impact velocity in excess of 2,000 feet per second) inflicted by soft or hollow point bullets. If a guy rushes you with a knife and you shoot him with a few rounds of 22lr in the chest he'll probably die. Just keepin it real, and saying I'd like to see the testing that backs up a claim the 9mm has "way higher" muzzle velocities than the .45 ACP. This backs up what I am saying about mass accounting for more in terms of penegation as velocity builds energy more than mass. @Colin no worries, just be thankful I noticed my phone trying to auto correct your name LOL. Just get both calibers. Bull!! My 45ACP at 12 rounds was well on the way to chewing it apart. Forced to choose I'd take 9mm all day for so many reasons.. 9mm or 45? Anyway my grandfather died before his friend could teach me more. Compared to the pistol, the average carbine-fired hollowpoint produced slightly less penetration and had a slightly smaller recovered diameter. Faster bullets are generally more reliable for downrange shooting because they dont drop nearly as much. Shot placement and Round choice will be the determining factors for desired outcome. I want more rounds with less recoil. Like working on a car, you have to have the right tools to get the job done. It appears that overall, the optimal barrel length for 9mm (for something like an AR-15 pistol build, SBR, or similar setup), is about 7 to 8 inches for maximum efficiency and handling, though going longer can still have benefits. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/the-statistically-perfect-gunfight/ Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. Is muzzle velocity something you need to be concerned about? We are now restricted to 10 or less rounds in the mag here in Washington State. 250 plus opinions here and counting but for once I'd say they're not like A holeseveryone has one yet none stink. I bought a 9mm because during this last ammo shortage my ammo was hard to find but I could get the 9mm no problem. A shift to the right or left could clear the background behind them. People tend to practice more with a weapon they are comfortable with. And sure, you have to keep hitting which is much easier if they are close. Check out ballisticsbytheinch.com. Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. The 1911, in my opinion, is a fantastic user friendly design. That's up in 10mm territory! But my favorate is 45acp. If you are choosing the 9mm simply because of capacity, you might want to also consider the FN Herstal FNX-45. Use a gun and round that you can shoot well - which takes practice. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. Where's the test evidence? Bullet drop tends to range from 10 to 12 at 100 yards. I could not agree with you more on every level. Also avg distance of civilian gunfights are extremely close quarters. I don't believe that MEN can Kill the SOUL.It's GOD BREATHED Genesis 2:7. and since the "SOUL" is "GOD-BREATHED", then The SOUL is "IMMORTAL".! That means 2-3 hits per mag in 9mm vs 1-2 hits in .45 ACP. I had never thought about all this before the day that an Iraq veteran, who loves hunting, told me use a BB gun to shoot rats in your backyard and carry a large magnum as a backup against a hog charging against you. Considering a switch. The problem is you can't always be sure of what's behind your target in a defensive situation. Compromise. I've modified the trigger pull on mine a bit. But can you deal with what you've done afterwards mentally? To give you an idea of muzzle velocity statistics, here are a few listed velocities for specific products in some of the most popular cartridges: ======================= I'll take 10 "flying ashtrays" over the puny 9mm anytime. No, youre not . A heavy bullet going slow with the same energy as a light bullet going fast will transfer energy to the target better, but won't penetrate as well. Using this reasoning, you really dont lose much between a pocket gun like the Glock 43 and a full-size Glock 34. That is why some like the 9mm short or .380. Your mileage will vary. The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). I cant see the situation where I would have to return fire on someone standing 25 yards away and where I would initiate shooting against someone at that distance. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". 2. Plus, law enforcement, judges, and the average person usually see revolvers as less threatening than a high capacity auto-loader. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. Now you may assume that the 9mm's must be effective because they simply passed through the body since more than half were FMJ's. Examination of real life police video reveal that a two shot "threat over" situation is far more probable with the .45 over the 9mm. Good evening! I have 38 special, 9mm, and a 12 GA shotgun at home. Certain matches require major or minor Power Factors. IMHO (other than good social time discussions about guns and fishing tackle) forget the caliber wars. As will pretty much anything under #4 buckshot. Thats half an in bigger then the 9mm? 5 Rounds of Hell. Even within AR-15s, muzzle velocity might be very different from gun to gun. Thank you to our allies, we could not have done it without each other. Well then YOU become the weapon. One of the great things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY! For example, American Eagle makes 9mm full-metal jacket rounds with 115-grain bullets and 147-grain bullets. Nobody is saying 45ACP cannot kill a man. As a retired LEO during the transition to semi-auto in the 80s, what is too politically incorrect and never mentioned is more females and smaller statured people entered the military and law enforcement. Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. However, theres always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. Terminal ballistics are not adequately covered. The time fighting is a poor metric for how wars are won. Even the FBI has phased out the .40 S&W in favor of the 9mm. Just ask yourself one question. The recoil may be heavy for some but since I am a big guy, recoil has never been an issue for me. However neither caliber is magical, as some may believe. No need to buy specialized rounds. The main reason the military and law enforcement switched to 9mm, is to "accommodate" people (females) with weaker upper body strength. Be armed and have the gun where you can access it (LOADED) quickly. 540 ft lb was the highest recorded muzzle energy for the 9mm in their testing. This stat can also apply to shotgun ammunition, including birdshot and slugs, making it a consistent way to compare ammunition. Research the World War I live cow test called the "ThompsonLaGarde Tests". But the data from all three sources tend to lean towards heavier bullets penetrating more than slower ones, and then tend to be more accurate. Explain why, as a prior Ranger, why the rangers had the choice on what sidearm the wanted and decided on the Glock 17. New developments not only improved the 9mm, modern 45ACP can make a 1 hole and 50% more energy delivered on target. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control. Engaging, defensive and cover fire; they all require lots of bullets. 9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). Thats why baseball bats must be held a certain way because of the grain. I am a Brit who has lived in the US for fourty years now. And I don't think I'd feel like any of them are particularly wimpy neither, unless it was a 22lr that went through with minimal damage. Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. unable to see the data graphs from the article. The situation is now dissolved without any bystanders in the background getting injured. what do you expect from them? What a glory to shoot, minimal recoil, and excellent stopping power. Not every confrontation is going to be 'range based'. Most shooters I knew had taken classes under Jeff Cooper and were total .45 ACP cranks. Capacity is a good factor to concern as long as rounds are selectively placed otherwise is just becomes another spray and part scenario. We all know by now of Mr. Schumacher's killing of a large bear with a 9mm. Most of my practice is at 10 yards, I do vary 10 feet to 20 yards. Today it sends your readers to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." I agree with you completely,I like and have both -a DW Guardian in .45 and a sig p365 9mm for carry.The choice on which to carry depends upon where I am carrying and why for that day.I believe the ability to have both options covers more scenarios.Great info BTW. 1 thing that cannot be argued is that the 22 cal is very effective. I'm sticking with ole tried and true 1911. As one coroner I heard from said, he's never seen a .357 Magnum leave a body and he's never seen a .44 Magnum stay in one. 20-30% really isn't that bad. If YOU Do!! If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. This is simply not true. lbs. It shows you like 9m you talk about both but talking about 45 it was more about 9m but talking about 9m it was 9m but I enjoyed to know it so me both. I consider 45acp and 9mm in the same class. I have both I like the 45 but I love the 9 mm, Agreed. Its lighter than the 21, has greater capacity, and I can switch to .357 Sig in less than 30 seconds with nothing more than a barrel. He didn't even have a BRUISE where the 45cal bullet hit him!! Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. Yes Ive used other peoples experiences to enhance my knowledge. doubled in sizeand since .45 ACP is bigger to start with, it became massive in the end. I started shooting at age 8 I am now 64, aferter seeing many debates on this topic, here is my own opinion the best pistol or rifle for self defense is the one that you can shoot the best. I do just like the author says. Modern 9mm hollowpoints nearly always expand, especially if you're using +p rounds at close range it's pretty much guaranteed. Im from South America and police there uses 9mm round nose, enough to kill more outlaws in 1 month that all the US police in 5 years. Only your focused aiming and bullets. But personally I would have both a BIG gun like 44 Magnum and spray, not one or the other. Then the news says the perp was taken to hospital with life threatening injuries. If capacity isn't a factor 45 rules the roost. The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. any lower powder grain ammo with a soft or no jacket on the led.. I should know because I get all the girls. 15 years ago, a 210 or 215 was something to be embarrassed about. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. Additionally, the length of the barrel used in testing can have a major impact in the results. They hardly hit that number. the us army knew that in ww1 when they adopted the john browning designed 1911 springfield after extensive testing of both. At the end of the day, marksmanship always wins out. Currently i own no 45,s. And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carrying. Myself My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. As to why heavier projectiles penetrate more than light ones, given similar shapes, is due to conservation of energy. Vimeo installs this cookie to collect tracking information by setting a unique ID to embed videos to the website. These are the ammo that most departments use. It holds lots of bullets. Its such a pathetic argument. If you want to stop a varmint, use the largest projectile feasible. I don't know-seek advice. "Subsonic for a bullet is slow"Again, your limited knowledge is apparent here. I say different tools for different tasks. If your g it someone in the head, point blank, w/a blank round it should kill them. According to areport released in 2014 by the FBI, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: Considering all of the advantages of the 9mm, why would anyone want to use the .45 ACP? Your personal guarantee is meaningless. i agree and i hear that every day. Years ago when 9mm was the craze I purchased a Browning model 39. Plus, I think the just plain weight of the 45 carries more "oomph". towards your level. The point that the wound tracks are almost the same according to the 2014 report is very surprising to me and frankly illogical looking at the bullet size, both uncollapsed and collapsed. For me the question isn't which caliber is "better" but which caliber a firearm owner prefers based on any number of factors. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". Luger presented his new round to both Great Britain and the U.S. before it was adopted by the Imperial German Navy in 1904 and the German Army four years later. Not a Leo no need to shoot at distance or through material. Haha. I enjoyed your post. BUT, I have read that bear attacks are usually a big surprise to both the hiker and the bear, who have both been startled by each other's company. I've shot that in Battlefield where all the ballistics are fully verified by experts because it's a computer game. They and FN took care of the capacity issue. Good show! Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. The U.S. Army eventually switched over to theSig Sauer P320but theyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Since most self defense situations are at close range and I mean really close range there is no need for lots of bullets. My personal preference for a home defense handgun is a full-sized pistol chambered in .45 ACP. If new powders and more advanced bullet designs used helped make the 9mm better then would not the new powders and more advanced bullet designs also then put every other caliber a step up also? For a carry I use a compact 45. And by that time I lost interest in learning more. The 45 has more momentum than the 9mm. You can vaguely cite "muzzle energy" but it ultimately means nothing with so many variables. Best argument I ever heard was, even if your hollowpoint fails to expand, a .45 will always punch a .45 hole. 9Mm was the craze I purchased a browning model 39 115-grain 9mm ammo a. Just becomes another spray and part scenario, defensive and cover fire ; they all require lots of bullets close! Have helped the 9mm Simply because of capacity, you really dont lose between. 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